BIO

author and lecturer

Portrait of Carlo Pizzati in the Abu Dhabi desert. Credits: photo by Tishani Doshi
Portrait of Carlo Pizzati in the Abu Dhabi desert. Credits: photo by Tishani Doshi

Carlo Pizzati is the award-winning multilingual author of ten works fiction and non-fiction in English and Italian, and a journalist for la Repubblica and la Stampa. In 2022, he has published the Italian novel “Una linea lampeggiante all’orizzonte” (Baldini+Castoldi) and the collection of short stories in English “A History of Objects” (Harper Collins India). In 2020 he published the non-fiction book “La Tigre e il Drone” (Gambrinus Prize 2021) and, previously, the memoirs “Bending over Backwards” and “Mappillai,” along with the non-fiction “Edge of an Era” and the novels “Criminàl” and “Nimodo,” the short stories collection “Il Passo che Cerchi,” and the travelogue “Tecnosciamani“. He has lectured at New York University, Columbia University, Yonsei University (Seoul), Università Ca’ Foscari (Venice), Università La Sapienza (Rome). He lives with his wife near a fishermen’s village in India where he writes features, editorials and political analysis about Asia and more. He’s worked as an adjunct professor teaching communication theory at the Asian College of Journalism in Chennai and hehas developed a project with his son to produce affordable football shoes for Indian girls.

Carlo is a seasoned journalist who has worked for over sixteen years for the Italian national daily newspaper La Repubblica, corresponding from New York, Rome, Mexico City, Buenos Aires and Madrid. He’s covered the Northern Ireland strife, guerrilla war in Colombia, the narcos business in the Andes, illegal immigrant smuggling in Mexico, civil rights battles in Chile, pro-environment militancy in the French atoll of Mururoa, and the GMO battle in Europe and the US.

Over the course of his career, Carlo has also been political talk show host in Italy, a stringer for the WGBH-BBC ‘PRI–The World’ radio, a contributor to the Associated Press, Vanity Fair (Italy) and GQ.

“Una linea lampeggiante all’orizzonte” romanzo Baldini+Castoldi 2022

una-linea-lampeggiante-allorizzonte-di-carlo-pizzati-copertina“Una commedia grottesca dai toni frizzanti come uno spritz” la Repubblica

“L’assenza divine infine la vera protagonista del romanzo, l’unica possibilità per fuggire da un territorio abituato da troppo tempo a nascondersi da sé stesso” il manifesto

“Un ritratto impietoso del mondo imprenditoriale, del collateralismo con la politica, della violenza di un piccolo ambiente di provincia” la Nuova Venezia

“Un carosello di personaggi che racconta vizi, perversioni, vecchi rancori e eccessi nell’attaccamento al lavoro e al denaro” il Giornale di Vicenza

“Un romanzo appassionante” Aforismi

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“A History of Objects-a collection of short stories” Harper Collins 2022

“The pointed humor and galloping imagination in these stories show us how to endure our ongoing catastrophe. Laughter, tears, surprise – there isn’t much more you can ask for from a short story.” Jeet Thayil

“A remarkable collection of stories which take us all over the globe – India, America, Italy – on journeys of discovery which end in the discovery of the self. Witty, wise, and elegantly written, ‘A History of Objects’ is essential reading for all lovers of the short story.” Suketu Metha

“Carlo Pizzati’s short stories speak to the social biography of things and open up for us world after world of drama, tension, urgency, making us rethink, reassess how we negotiate, in our daily lives, the things we own, and the things that own us.” Janice Pariat

“Carlo Pizzati’s stories are enjoyable, austere and filled with simple, familiar people to whom a bit of complexity occurs. You can almost hear the author’s good-natured chuckle.” Manu Joseph

 

pizzati_4His non-fiction “La Tigre e il Drone” (Marsilio Editori) 2020 has won the prestigious 2021 Gambrinus Prize– it is a 448 pages non-fiction work documenting changes in the sense of national and collective identity in Asia and in India along with civil rights issues, global warming, how technology and religious conflicts affect society.

“A book destined to last” Beppe Severgnini of Corriere della Sera.

“A reconnaissance at low altitude flying over immense territories” la Repubblica.

“A very lively book, worthy of the tradition of New Journalism” Il Sole 24 Ore.

“Exciting” Affari Internazionali magazine.


Wry, witty and wise by turns, his latest memoir “Bending over Backwards – a journey to the end of the world to cure a chronic backache” (Harper Collins 2019) is a book about self-discovery, facing fears and failures, and undertaking an arduous journey with an open mind and heart.

#1 bestseller on Amazon in the Travel Writing & Hot New Releases categories

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In this intrepid and humorous travelogue, Carlo Pizzati embarks on a quest to find a cure for a backache that has tortured him for twenty years. Armed with his notebook, his experience as a veteran reporter for one of Italy’s largest dailies, and an indomitable spirit of adventure, Carlo travels from a posturologist’s office in Italy to the rarefied mountain air of Boulder to seek a variety of alternative cures; from a trance-dance venue hidden in the woods of Cinque Terre to an exorcist-shaman’s den in Buenos Aires, who photographs demons and auras. Eventually, Carlo lands in India, to live and learn from the yogis at the Ashtanga yoga centre in Mysore. Here, as Carlo engages in strenuous yogic discipline, meditates atop hills, investigates Ayurveda, he has an explosive insight into his past births which leads to an encounter that will change his life forever. Along the way, our skeptical, suffering but always curious narrator discovers the ways in which spirituality and technology intersect.

Funny & endearing” Somak Ghoshal – Mint Lounge

“A rib-tickling account dipped in wit & wryness” Manek S Kohli-Deccan Chronicle

“Laced in subtle humour and elaborate metaphors” Gowri S – The Hindu 

“A wise, witty and personal book” by Swati Rai for HTRead

“A rambunctious story of love and transformation” Sunaina Kumar Mumbai Mirror

Humorous & intrepid picaresque travelogue ” G. Saili – The New Indian Express

“A brilliant account of the many methods tried and what worked. Written beautifully.” Kabir Bedi.

“Full of wit & interesting Indian experiences” PG Sibbal-Hindustan Times 


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His memoir, Mappilai 2018 (which means son-in-law in Tamil) is the rollicking story of  a European living with his in-laws in urban Chennai and with his wife in the coastal village of Paramankeni. There, he finds himself in the company of fishermen and goat-herders, in a house where 3G asserts itself in a corner of the bathroom and electricity courses in fits and starts.

At one level, “Mappillai an Italian son-in-law in India” (Simon & Schuster, 2018) is deeply personal. With beguiling candour, Carlo tells of his struggle with contradictory responses to India—fascination and suspicion—and his awkward attempts at cruising through a maze of bribery, bureaucracy and traffic.

With wry humour and jollity, wisdom and acceptance, Mapillai offers an intimate capsule of contemporary Indian history—of the concomitant Hinduization and Westernization of India, intertwined with the Indianization of a European!

Chosen by Amazon as one of the Traveller’s Book Store: Exploring India titles.

“The book is entertaining, philosophical and insightful at once” Neha Bhandarkar The New Indian Express Oct. 2018

A lyrical, stream-of-consciousness narrative” Deepa Alexander The Hindu Oct. 2018

Mappillai is part love story, part memoir, part philosophical musings.” R. Krithika The Hindu Sunday magazine Oct. 2018

“A hilarious account about being a son-in-law in Southern India.” Daily Mirror Jan. 2019

Mappillai is a serious book in funny clothes…part-memoir, part-philosophical book in the migrant literature genre.” Manasa R. The New Indian Express Oct. 2018

“A light-hearted memoir” The Times of India Oct. 2018WhatsApp Image 2018-11-04 at 23.15.24

“It’s a familiar story, yet quite out of the ordinaryIt’s a tale of exploration, and a love story.” Prannay – The Hindustan Times Jan. 2019

“For travellers, lovers, literati and, yes, even sons-in-law, Mappillai is an enjoyable, moving and worthwhile read” Rohini Malur – Provoke Lifestyle magazine Dec. 2018

“A self-aware India book about personal experiences mildly extrapolated to larger issues, but working hard to undermine the Western gaze.” S. Meghani The Telegraph Oct. ’18

“An endearing personalised account.” Speaking Tree – Times of India Nov. 2018

“The memoir’s emotional register is vast.” Urvashi Bahuguna – OPEN Nov. 2018


EDGE OF AN ERA_300_RGBHis previous book “Edge of an Era” (Juggernaut 2017)  throws lights on where we are in geopolitics and where we are going, but also explores what it means to be a nationalist and a globalist, what it feels to “become a European” and see that identity under threat among the global influences of thinkers and philosophers in the transformation of the world.

His most recent novel “Nimodo” (Feltrinelli 2014) is an on the road love story throughout Latin America, set among Farc and Zapatista guerrilla at the turn of the last century.41eZ+8ZATlL

 
His first novel “Criminàl” 2011 was very well received by critics and readers when it was published in 2011 in Italy.
 
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His first creative non-fiction book, “Tecnosciamani” was first published in 2010 and printed its second edition in 2012.In 2012 he also published the first collection of short stories and photographs “Il passo che cerchi”.Screenshot 2022-09-04 at 09.49.04
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Carlo Pizzati by M. Giugliarelli 2022

Photo Portraits Carlo Pizzati by Mia Murgese Mastroianni © 2019 three quarters smileJournalistic background: He is a political analyst and editoralist from Asia for the Italian daily newspapers La Repubblica and La Stampa.  For 16 years he’s written for La Repubblica, first from its New York Bureau, from ’87 to ’93, then based at the Foreign Desk in Rome, covering the International Environmentalism beat and Northern Ireland until ’97. He wrote from Latin America from ’97 to 2000, first from Mexico City, then Buenos Aires, covering presidential elections and feature stories in the entire continent. He’s produced and directed 30 investigative TV documentaries for Italian national prime time TV show “Report”  (RAI3), of which he’s been producer and contributor in 2001.

He’s been the executive director of the Civitella Ranieri Foundation in New York and in Umbria and editor in chief of an Internet website in Madrid (Kataweb España) and of Italy’s most viewed website (www.virgilio.it) in Milan.

He won the Igor Man Prize (2017) for a story on Islamic divorce in India and the Leonardo International Prix for a documentary on transgenic food, “The disfigured gene” (REPORT Rai3). He also received two honourable mentions and prizes at Festival Archipelago for “A circular embrace” on neo-melodic singers in Naples and Festival Toni Corti for “The worst thing I’ve done in the last ten years”.

He’s worked as a host and producer of “Omnibus”, a live daily television morning political talk show he started at national network La 7 in 2002.

As a young reporter he’s also been an intern for The Associated Press in Rome and a radio stringer and feature contributor for The World-Public Radio International a WGBH-BBC joint venture

He also has written screenplays for cinema, articles for magazines and newspapers and kept blogs for “il Fatto Quotidiano,” (national newspaper), “il Post”  (Italy’s n. 1 blog); “Doppiozero” (cultural magazine) with “Indian Polaroids” and, in Spanish, with “El quinto pino” for “LNMO.”

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Reporting for AP- ’87 Econ. Summit in Venice

Conferences oforeign policy, theory of communication and literature: from ’87 until today – Italian Cultural Institute, NY; New York University; Columbia University; Loyola University in Rome; main guest Palazzo Festari (Italy) – Guanxinet (2010, 2011, 2012, 2015); panelist and moderator at the Jaipur Literature Festival (2013); panelist Ncell Nepal literature Festival in Kathmandu (2014); panelist Tata Lit Live! Mumbai International Literature Festival (2016 & 2018); Bangalore Literature Festival (2016); Brahmaputra Literary Festival (2017); Ubud Writers and Readers Literary Festival (2018) Member of Tandem Research Technology Foresight Group on the Future of Work in India, in collaboration with the International Labor Organisation. (2017)

Seminars and courses:

    • Teaching a yearly post-graduate communication theory course about how Internet is affecting the way we absorb and communicate knowledge. “The Independent Gaze – the metastasis of communication and the anorexia of information” at the Asian College of Journalism in Chennai, India since 2014.
    • Lecture on the relation between reality and fiction at New York University (Abu  Dhabi) in Prof. Deborah Kapchan’s “Memoir and Etnography” class Spring 2020 and Fall 2020.
    • Lecture on “Connecting Asia – a discussion on what unites Asia” co-sponsored by NYUAD Global Asia Initiative (with support from the Luce Foundation) in collaboration with the History Program, Literature & Creative Writing, The Office of Global Education. New York University (Abu Dhabi) November 2019.
    • Lecture on Fiction and Non-Fiction at Columbia University Fiction Workshop Class April 2019.
    • Workshop on Life Writing for Tata Lit Live (Mumbai) – Nov. 2018
    • Guest lecturer Yonsei University (Seoul, S. Korea) on dreams and literature, cinema and literature and life writing (Nov. 2018)
    • Guest Lecturer at New York University (Abu Dhabi) with the seminars “The Art of Asking Questions” & “The Post-Truth Political Discourse” Sept. 2016 and on “Crisis Management” Nov. 2016. 
    • Guest Lecturer at Master of Venice University Ca’ Foscari (Italian Global Approach to Management in India) with the seminar “Defeating stereotypes and culture shock in order to communicate better in a global context” (Summer 2015 – Venice).
    • Lecturer on Ethics and the Press Trento University.
    • Curator of seminar on “Ethics and Information” in New York.
    • Lecturer on “Bastard Journalism” La Sapienza University (Rome).

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Prizes and Fellowships – Mentor at Columbia University (’89-’93); Advisory Committee Columbia Alumni Association, Chennai (present); Writers’ grant juror for Civitella Ranieri Foundation 2012; Juror for the FilmMinute International Festival 2011 and for the Touring Club Giovani documentary contest 2014.

Guest Fellow Civitella Ranieri Foundation, Castle of Civitella, Umbertide (Italy), May 2018. – The White House Farm residency, Great Glemham, Suffolk, UK, August 2018.

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Reading from “Mappillai” at the Ubud Writers and Readers Lit Fest 2018 © Bernardo Conti

Winner of the Leonardo International Prix for best documentary 2000; honorable mentions at Film Festival Archipelago and Festival Toni Corti.

Bio and Education:

Born in 1966 in Geneva, Switzerland, he’s grown up in a town north of Venice, Valdagno, until he turned 16, when he moved to Pensacola, Florida for almost four years.

Then he lived in Washington D.C. (where he graduated from The American University), and later New York (Master in Journalism, Columbia University, class of ’89).

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BIOGRAFIA:

Carlo Pizzati è autore di dieci libri di narrativa e di non-fiction e di tre sceneggiature per il cinema. Collabora a Repubblica e la Stampa dall’Asia.

Nel 2022 ha pubblicato il romanzo “Una linea lampeggiante all’orizzonte” (Baldini & Castoldi) e la raccolta di racconti brevi scritti in inglese “A History of Objects” (Harper Collins India).

Nel 2020 ha pubblicato il saggio “La Tigre e il Drone” (Marsilio- vincitore del Premio Gambrinus-Mazzotti 2021), un racconto dell’India di oggi come teatro di prova del nostro prossimo futuro, punto di incontro tra storia millenaria e presente in accelerazione.

Nel 2019 è uscito “Bending over Backwards – a journey to the end of the world to cure a chronic back ache,” memoir salito al primo posto nei bestseller su Amazon nelle categorie di Libri di Viaggio e di Novità Editoriali.

Nel 2018 ha pubblicato “Mappillai – an Italian son-in-law in India” edito da Simon & Schuster, consigliato da Amazon Traveller’s Bookstore.

Nel 2017 ha pubblicato in inglese il saggio “Edge of an Era” (Juggernaut).

Nel 2014 ha pubblicato il suo secondo romanzo con l’editore Feltrinelli, “Nimodo.

Nel 2012 è uscita la seconda edizione di “Tecnosciamani” (Il Punto d’Incontro) e la traduzione in inglese con il titolo “Technoshamans” oltre alla raccolta di resoconti letterari e fotografie “Il passo che cerchi” (Edelweiss 2012).

Nel 2011 è uscito il primo romanzo: “Criminàl” (Fbe Edizioni).

Nel 2010 è stata pubblicata la prima edizione di “Tecnosciamani – tra spiritualità e tecnologia: viaggio ai confini del mondo per curare un mal di schiena cronico” (Fbe Edizioni).

Standing portrait of Carlo Pizzati by Mia Murgese MastroianniEsperienza giornalistica:

Collabora con la Repubblica e la Stampa dall’Asia, con base in India, e con riviste letterarie, magazine e quotidiani. E’ stato direttore della fondazione americana Civitella Ranieri

Nel 2005 è stato direttore della società di produzione e distribuzione cinematografica Cardam Pictures (Londra).

Dal 2002 al 2004 è stato direttore editoriale del portale Virgilio.it (Milano) per il quale ha tenuto anche un blog on-line.

Per la tv, nel 2001 è stato co-autore di “Report” (Rai3) e nel 2002 autore e conduttore del talk show politico “Omnibus La 7”, a Roma.

Nel 2000 ha diretto il portale Internet del gruppo Espresso “Kataweb Spagna,” a Madrid.

Dal ’97 al 2000, per il quotidiano “Repubblica”, il sito e le riviste del gruppo “Espresso”, ha seguito elezioni presidenziali e scritto reportage dall’America Latina, prima con base a Città del Messico, poi a Buenos Aires. Da New York, ha seguito la guerra in Kosovo e le accuse di impeachment al presidente Clinton, per Repubblica.

(in conversazione con Alberto Moravia a Capri, circa 1989)
Dal ‘93 al ’97 ha lavorato per “Repubblica” nella redazione Esteri a Roma, occupandosi di Irlanda del nord e ambientalismo internazionale come inviato a Belfast, Mururoa, Chernobyl, Norvegia, Russia e Stati Uniti.

Dall’87, a 21 anni da poco compiuti, fino al ’93, ha scritto per “Repubblica” e “Il Venerdì” dalla redazione di New York.

 

Conferenze di politica estera e teoria della comunicazione  dall’87 a oggi – Italian Cultural Institute, NY; New York University; Columbia University; Loyola University a Roma; Palazzo Festari (Italia); Guanxinet; ospite e moderatore al Jaipur Literature Festival 2013, panelist Ncell Nepal literature Festival, Kathmandu 2014; panelist Tata Lit Live! Mumbai International Literature Festival e Bangalore Literature Festival, 2016, Brahmaputra Literary Festival (Guwahati 2017). Membro del Technology Foresight Group on the “Future of Work in India” del think tank Tandem Research in collaborazione con l’Organizzazione Internazionale del Lavoro (Goa 2017)

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(as a young reporter on the (l)edge at his office in La Repubblica’s NY Bureau on Madison Avenue in 1988  © Simone Sabbieti )

Seminari e corsi: Tiene un corso postgraduate presso l’università di Madras al Asian College of Journalism dal titolo: “Lo sguardo indipendente – la metastasi della comunicazione e l’anoressia dell’informazione”.  Guest Lecturer alla New York University Abu Dhabi con i seminari “L’Arte di Fare Domande” e “Il discorso politico post-verità ” Sett. 2016 e su “Crisis Management” Nov. 2016; Docente del Master IGAMI dell’Università Ca’ Foscari di Venezia (Italian Global Approach to Management in India) con il seminario “Debellare stereotipi e shock culturale per comunicare meglio in un contesto globale” (2015). Università di Trento, relatore. Curatore del seminario “Ethics and Information” a New York. Serie di conferenze sul “Giornalismo Bastardo” presso l’Università La Sapienza (Roma).

Premi e fellowship – Tutor alla Columbia University (’89-’93); Advisory Committee Columbia Alumni Association, Chennai; Giurato alla Civitella Ranieri Foundation 2012;  Giurato per il FilmMinute International Festival 2011 and per il premio Touring Club Giovani 2014. E’ stato direttore esecutivo della Civitella Ranieri Foundation nel 2022.

 

Director’s Guest Civitella Ranieri Foundation, Castello di Civitella, Umbertide, Maggio 2018 e presso la White House Farm, Glemham, Suffolk, UK, agosto 2018.

Ha ricevuto il Premio Igor Man per un articolo sul divorzio islamico in India (2017) ed è Vincitore del Leonardo International Prix come miglior documentario 2000; honorable mentions al Film Festival Archipelago e al Festival Toni Corti.

Vita e studi:

Nato a Ginevra nel 1966, cresciuto fino a 16 anni a Valdagno, in provincia di Vicenza. Dopo due anni al liceo Ginnasio G.G. Trissino, nell’82 si è trasferito a Pensacola (Florida) dove si è diplomato e ha iniziato l’Università. Si è laureato in Scienze Politiche ed Economia all’American University di Washington D.C. Nell’89 ha conseguito un Master in Giornalismo presso la Columbia University di New York.

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24 thoughts on “BIO

  1. Lo so che forse sono solamente romantica, ma io scriverei anche che sei il babbo di Teo, uno splendido bambino … un abbraccio 😉

    1. postata subito su fb … semplicemente magnifici. pensa se tutti i dibattici politici venissero realizzati dai bambini … pensa se potessimo sentir dire … vabbè, dai, abbiamo ragione metà e metà … ovvero sì e no. la cronaca politica è degna delle prime pagine di molti quotidiani che si leggono ora: sintetica, immediata, senza fronzoli. Per non parlare della metafora dei semafori … mentre l’ascoltavo mi sono vista Prodi che si ferma al “semaaaaforo” e il nano psicotico che interviene per un pass oligarchico ad hoc. Bravo papà Carlo! un bacio

  2. Fantastic Carlo to see what you’ve done, I think your son is the best project of your life !!!
    My best wishes for the new year, from a South African friend that still remenbers you teaching him Italian & Vicentino !!!!

    1. Ha ha grande Mauro, and best wishes to you and your family. I love the fact that in your words I find the strength and energy of that boy from South Africa who came to Valdagno! Un abbraccio

  3. … che buffa sta cosa… incontrare dopo “tanti” anni la parola Technoshamans, capitolo finale della mia tesi di laurea… Ciao

  4. Ciao Carlo,
    io ti ho conosciuto da bambino…i tuoi e i miei si sono frequentati…così io ho frequentato per un periodo le tue sorelle….te ti vedevo di sguincio.
    Ora vorrie contattarti per chiederti se posso utilizzare, come titolo della mia installazione, “LA TEORIA DEL DIGUALE” rimandando i fruitori al sito che appunto ho trovato così importante da segnalare alla platea.
    …E’ per la mostra di SCHIO “MutAZIONI” S. Montagna di Cornedo Vic.no

  5. Grazie Carlo per la risposta…complimenti per i tuoi libri che regolarmente leggo e salutami caramente Editta e Maya che per lavoro ed altro, non ho più avuto modo di rivedere.
    Il mio papà era Montagna prof. Angiolo e la mamma è Parise prof AnnaMaria… Alla prossima, Simonetta

  6. Complimenti per tutto Carlo e per il tuo splendido bambino. Anche noi ci conoscevamo da bambini e a Jesolo abbiamo tanti ricordi. Salutami Maya, Titti e Lodovico. A proposito i tuoi articoli sul blog sono una grande fonte d’ispirazione. Chi se lo immaginava che fossimo cosi’ vicini per un certo periodo… Un abbraccio. Antonella

  7. Hi,I am from Tamil Nadu. I just read your article on scroll.in ,googled you and was pleasantly surprised that you live in my states. If I may ask, how did you come to live in TN?

  8. Lei ha scritto sulla Stampa che l’Indonesia e’ wahabita. Ne e’ proprio sicuro? Ha controllato le sue fonti? Chi conosce l’Indonesia sa bene che l’islam dell’arcipelago per la stragrande maggioranza e’ moderato e tollerante. Cordiali saluti

    1. Caro Ambasciatore, capisco la sua posizione. Ma todo cambia. Le consiglio, a parte le sue fonti, la lettura di questo serio approfondimento su Foreign Policy. “Indonesian Muslims, including NU’s member base, are becoming more intensely and visibly conservative. A recent survey found that four in five public school religion teachers support imposing sharia, or Islamic law. And “more women wear hijab, more families go to Mecca, more people pray in public spaces after 1998,” Assyaukanie said.” Qui di seguito il link all’articolo, uno dei tanti sul tema.
      http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/02/14/indonesias-moderate-islam-is-slowly-crumbling/

  9. Grazie per la sua risposta. L’argomento e’ appassionante e molto complesso. L’articolo di FP mi sembra un po’ superficiale. Mi piacerebbe poterne discutere con Lei in maniera piu’ approfondita.

    1. Grazie a lei, questa è una conversazione che a me pare importante, in questa fase, in Asia. Spero avremo occasione di continuare questo ragionamento di persona, prima o poi, magari a Giacarta. Grazie.

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